Racing Shadows is your debut novel. Looking at your background, you’ve got a B.S. in Health and Physical Education, a Master’s in Sports Science, an M.B.A. in Finance and Marketing. You have had a successful career working in banking and nonprofits. You don’t have the typical author background. So where did this novel come from, and why now? Have you always been into writing while pursuing your other interests?

 

I guess it was a midlife crisis of sorts. I was nearing sixty and I wanted to find something expressive and artistic for my spare time. I thought about taking a drawing or painting class. There is a wide variety of opportunities in Richmond where I live. I live close to Virginia Commonwealth University which has a tremendous fine arts program. There is also the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, a world class museum with great learning and art programs.  I wasn’t sure I wanted to draw or paint or take up pottery. By accident, I stumbled on a writing class at VCU with their novelist in residence, David L. Robbins, NYT bestseller.  The title of the class was “The art of the narrative” and I signed up.

 

I took the class on a whim, thinking it would be fun. It was terrifying, writing and then submitting work to the class, mostly folks like me with full time jobs, trying to squeeze in a passion for writing with regular life. I didn’t know what I was doing. But David and the class were encouraging, though I made lots of mistakes.  Eventually one of my stories about a pirate worked. I was hooked.

 

The class asked David to coach us all to a first novel after the class was over. We met monthly, reviewing our work over dinner and beer.  It was challenging and exciting. I had the idea to write about running in the back of my mind for many years; what it was like to train and race at the highest level.  There are only a few, good running novels, John L. Parker’s classic, Once a Runner, the gold standard. I wanted to write a running novel that detailed the training for an elite marathon and captured the feel of the 1980’s at Wake and Baltimore.

 

How long did it take you to write your first book? What challenges did you face along the way? Was it difficult to write a novel while working full time in your nonprofit job?

 

The book took a little over a year.  My writing circle and David were very gracious, reading my chapters and sending me back month after month. One of my circle compared me to Sisyphus, pushing the rock back up the hill, time after time. Finally, one of my partners said she liked the training run sequences. That gave me hope and then there was one night where everyone said well done, the chapter worked. I rewrote the opening and was off. Two of us finished in that year. Pam Webber's book came out in August, 2019, Moon Water. It was great being a part of her writing, too. Our other two partners have great stories that will come out over time.

 

It is really difficult writing, working full time, and having a life. I’m married with two children and soon to be two grandchildren. I write in the evening and on weekends. A novel becomes a child, having a life of its own.  It’s funny; you pour yourself into the work and worry about it all the time. We’re proud of these paper children, warts and all.  The writing has been tremendously rewarding and I’ve met some really outstanding people and friends. I’m very happy I chose to write.

 

This is a novel about serious, dedicated running. You have a background in competitive running and track and field yourself. Could you tell us a little more about that?

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Like my character Jeff and many others of that era (the 1980’s), I was inspired by Frank Shorter’s Olympic marathon gold in Munich Germany in 1972. I ran competitively in junior high and high school and then at East Carolina University.  It wasn’t until I moved up to the marathon while in graduate school at Wake Forest University that I  got sponsored and began to compete at the national level. The fields were really deep in the '80s. Recently, I found a Boston Marathon newspaper clipping from that time. I ran two hours and twenty-two minutes and finished around one hundred-sixty-something.  That time would have been top twenty in some of the recent Boston’s, but it tells you how deep the fields were. There were over two hundred qualifiers for the Olympic Trials in 1984.

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In Racing Shadows, your protagonist’s name, Jeff Dillon, is similar to yours.  He runs in the U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials in 1984, the same year you did. Jeff Dillon’s coach, Bill Atlee, appears to be based off of runner William (Bill) Agee, who won the 1928 Olympic Marathon Trials just like your character Bill. How much of this book is inspired by or taken from both your own life and the life of Bill Agee?

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So this is a work of fiction. I modeled Jeff after my own experience and the Olympic Trials and Baltimore Marathon that frame the story, and there is a certain amount of autobiography in the structure and racing.  I chose Jeff’s name randomly when I started, mainly to keep my characters straight.  Originally, the story started much earlier in my career, but then I found the story worked much better in a condensed time frame of one year. The races actually happened and the times are pretty accurate. I didn’t finish last at the O.T. but did have a similar bad day like Jeff though far less drama!  I finished 100th that day in 2:32… I also finished third at the Baltimore (then Maryland) Marathon like Jeff the following December. But that is where the reality ends and the fiction starts, such as finishing last, just in front of the ambulance or meeting the old man who becomes his coach. The highs and lows that both characters face are fiction, elevated to enhance the story line.  Many of the other characters were modeled after people I knew at the time and some I still know, accented with observations of that time.

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I was having problems getting the story on paper.  It was boring; a guy training and failing to compete in the marathon, it’s been written a few times.   My muse appeared when the Richmond paper featured an article in the sports page prior to the Rio Olympic Games about Richmond Olympians.  That’s where I met Bill (Agee). It said that he was born in Richmond in 1905 and moved to Baltimore with his family. He delivered the Baltimore Sun.  He made the 1928 Olympic Games in Amsterdam, a prolific runner and winner. There was no picture of him, but later I found out he committed suicide. I knew right then I had a new character in my novel, but wasn’t sure how to work him into the story.

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What about Bill Agee served as a point of inspiration for you? Was finding him the catalyst to writing your debut novel?

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Bill turned out to be the perfect antagonist.  With his colorful life and tragic ending. I went to Baltimore and the Pratt Library to do research. There was a wealth of information in the old Baltimore Sun Newspapers from the 1930’s. There was also the wonderful picture of him winning the Baltimore Marathon back in 1930. He added so much color and life that no other character could.

 

Bill helped round out Jeff’s obsession. My fictional Bill was actually more obsessive as it turned out, so it allowed me to make Jeff more sympathetic to the reader. Bill also brought the story back to Baltimore, a fantastic setting and almost a character. He also brought a historical element that helped round out the story line.

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[Spoiler alert - what follows is a major plot point - skip ahead to the next section.] You feature a character that’s a ghost. Do you believe in ghosts?

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I believe like Jeff’s girlfriend, Libby that there is more to life than we know. I think there are spirits, but I’ve never seen a ghost. We got into the discussion about ghosts being real in my writing group.  I tried to use him as a real character, an older gentleman but it didn’t seem right with what actually happened

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I have a friend who has seen a ghost in his house.  He lives in an old home in southwest Virginia. He’s seen her many times around the house late at night or early in the morning.  The scene where Jeff try’s to resuscitate a girl who choked and stopped breathing actually happened. It was terrible watching her die and not being able to revive her.  I had a hard time getting over her, but I didn’t see a ghost that day, just a terrible tragedy and a young life lost.

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To make Bill work and to add tension, he became a ghost. It allowed me to blend the stories about him and give Jeff one more hurdle to overcome. That was one of the good teaching techniques we discussed. Take your happy character and make him unhappy, mess thing up, make it messy and then make them figure it out. Ghosts are good for that kind of thing.  Kate Morton did a really excellent job with Winters Ghost.  You question was the ghost real or in the protagonists head.  I wanted that for Jeff, for him to question if he needed Bill more than Bill needed him or if he existed at all?

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Back to writing. What was the hardest part about writing a novel?

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The hardest part of writing a novel is fear of rejection. It never goes away, even when it’s finished. Will they

(someone or anyone) like it? Ultimately, only I have to like it.  The first couple chapters and the criticism of my writing circle and David were difficult at first. David is a published author and college lecturer.  It’s terrifying to turn in those pages and read everyone’s comments. I’m still learning to write and David says I still don’t know how to use a comma. I wasn’t a very good student in elementary school and junior high so I play catch-up.

 

But I enjoy the work. It’s a lot like running. You have to discipline yourself and set aside time to write. For me that was evenings and weekend mornings. You write those pages and refine them daily, just like training, putting in the miles. It can be scary to race too, finding out how fit you are against the competition and suffering during a race.Putting a novel out there in public is terrifying.People are going to be critical, I know that. Its part of the deal, but there is a huge satisfaction at having written the book and having a publisher.

 

What did you enjoy most about writing this book?

 

I really enjoyed the daily writing and the creative process overall. This book was in the back of my mind for a long time. To be able to see it on paper and now with a publisher is very rewarding. Jeff is asked in the book what he likes best about running and he answers that it’s the day-to-day training.  I think writing is a lot like that. It can be very rewarding but it can be frustrating and painful, too.

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I really didn’t know if I’d find a publisher.This book is a mixed genre; part sports fiction, modern fiction, and historical; it really ended up soutern-gothic. I’m hopeful it will find a place in the running community which is quite large, both the competitive runners in school and the greater running community that run the weekend 10k’s and marathons.

 

Do you still run or follow the sport?

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I’m a running nerd; I love the sport and follow it very closely. I don’t run any longer. My last race was as a 50 year old but my knees were getting chronically sore, so I stay fit and enjoy walking and golf.

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What type of books do you like to read and what have you read recently that was really good?  Who are some of your favorite authors?

 

I really liked Donna Tart’s, The Goldfinch. The book was written so well and I liked the story of the two boys and the settings in New York and Las Vegas. It’s got an incredible opening chapter.  I also liked A Little Life, by Hanya Yanagihara. It’s such a deep and moving story, tracing the lives of four friends through adulthood.

 

One of my favorite authors is Chris Cleave. He has several really readable books, including one called Gold, the story of two female cyclists competing in the London Olympics. It helped me greatly as I wrote my story to see how he wrote the action (cycling and racing) scenes.

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Are you writing anything new? What’s next?

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While we were still working as a writing circle, I began a new story. I have a rough draft.  It’s completely different and I’ve put it aside until the publishing of Racing Shadows. I want to experience this fully and enjoy the process. I’ll pick up the other WIP again.  Right now, it’s called Little World. It’s about family relationships and how messed up they can be and growing-up. It may end up Young Adult fiction, but I really like YA and have read some really good books in that genre. It’s been fun.